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these are Torah scholars, and towers do not require additional protection? The Gemara comments: And Reish Lakish, who did not cite this verse, holds in accordance with the way that Rava expounded the verse: “I am a wall”; this is referring to the Congregation of Israel. “And my breasts are like towers”; these are the synagogues and study halls. It is similarly related that Rav Naḥman bar Rav Ḥisda once imposed payment of the poll tax [karga] even on the Sages. Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak said to him: You have transgressed the words of the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings. You have transgressed the words of the Torah, as it is written: “Even when He loves the peoples, all His holy ones are in Your hand” (Deuteronomy 33:3), which is understood to mean that Moses said to the Holy One, Blessed be He: Master of the Universe, even when You hold the other nations dear and grant them dominion over Israel, let “all His holy ones,” meaning the Torah scholars, be exclusively in Your hand and free from the authority of the nations, and therefore be exempt from paying taxes. The continuation of that verse can also be understood as referring to Torah scholars, as it states: “And they sit [tukku] at Your feet, receiving Your words” (Deuteronomy 33:3), and Rav Yosef teaches: These are Torah scholars who pound [mekhatetim] their feet from city to city and from country to country to study Torah; “receiving [yissa] Your words,” to discuss [lissa velitten] the utterances of God. And you have transgressed the words of the Prophets, as it is written: “Though they have hired lovers [yitnu] among the nations, now I will gather them, and they will begin to be diminished by reason of the burden of kings and princes” (Hosea 8:10). With regard to this verse, Ulla says: Part of this verse is stated in the Aramaic language; the word yitnu should be understood here in its Aramaic sense: To learn. And the verse should be interpreted as follows: If all of Israel learns Torah, I will gather them already now; and if only a few of them learn Torah, they will be excused from the burden imposed by kings and princes. This indicates that those who study Torah should not be subject to paying taxes. And furthermore, you have transgressed the words of the Writings, as it is written: “It shall not be lawful to impose tribute, impost or toll upon them” (Ezra 7:24), i.e., upon the priests and Levites who serve in the Temple. This halakha would apply to Torah scholars as well. And Rav Yehuda says: “Tribute”; this is referring to the king’s portion, a tax given to the king. “Impost”; this is referring to the head tax. “Toll”; this is referring to a tax [arnona] paid with property that was imposed from time to time. It is related that Rav Pappa once imposed a tax for the digging of a new cistern even on orphans. Rav Sheisha, son of Rav Idi, said to Rav Pappa: Perhaps they will dig, but in the end they will not draw any water from there, and it will turn out that the money will have been spent for nothing. The rest of the townspeople can relinquish their rights to their money, but orphans who are minors cannot do so. Rav Pappa said to him: I shall collect money from the orphans; if they draw water, they will draw water, and if not, I will return the money to the orphans. Rav Yehuda says: All of the city’s residents must contribute to the building and upkeep of the city gates [le’aglei gappa], and for this purpose money is collected even from orphans. But the Sages do not require protection and are therefore exempt from this payment. All of the city’s residents must contribute to the digging of cisterns [lekarya patya], and for this purpose money is collected even from the Sages, since they too need water. The Gemara comments: And we said this only when the people are not required to go out en masse [be’akhluza] and do the actual digging, but are obligated merely to contribute money for that purpose. But if the people are required to go out en masse and actually dig, the Sages are not expected to go out with them en masse, but rather they are exempt from such labor. It is related that Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi once opened his storehouses to distribute food during years of drought. He said: Masters of Bible, masters of Mishna, masters of Talmud, masters of halakha, masters of aggada may enter and receive food from me, but ignoramuses should not enter. Rabbi Yonatan ben Amram, whom Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi did not know, pushed his way in, and entered, and said to him: Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi, sustain me. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi said to him: My son, have you read the Bible? Rabbi Yonatan ben Amram said to him, out of modesty: No. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi continued: Have you studied Mishna? Once again, Rabbi Yonatan ben Amram said to him: No. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi then asked him: If so, by what merit should I sustain you? Rabbi Yonatan ben Amram said to him: Sustain me like a dog and like a raven, who are given food even though they have not learned anything. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi was moved by his words and fed him. After Rabbi Yonatan left, Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi sat, and was distressed, and said: Woe is me, that I have given my bread to an ignoramus. His son, Rabbi Shimon bar Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi, said to him: Perhaps he was your disciple Yonatan ben Amram, who never in his life wanted to materially benefit from the honor shown to the Torah? They investigated the matter and found that such was the case. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi then said: Let everyone enter, as there may also be others who hide the fact that they are true Torah scholars. Commenting on Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi’s opinion, the Gemara notes that Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi conformed to his standard line of reasoning, as Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi says: Suffering comes to the world only due to ignoramuses. This is like the incident of the crown tax [kelila] that was imposed on the residents of the city of Tiberias. The heads of the city came before Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi and said to him: The Sages should contribute along with us. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi said to them: No, the Sages are exempt. They said to him: Then we will run away and the entire burden will fall on the Torah scholars. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi said to them: Run away as you please. Half of the city’s residents ran away. The authorities then waived half the sum that they had initially imposed on the city. The half of the population that remained in the city then came before Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi, and said to him: The Sages should contribute along with us. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi said to them: No, the Sages are exempt. They said to him: Then we too will run away. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi said to them: Run away as you please. They all ran away, so that only one launderer was left in the city. The authorities imposed the entire tax on the launderer. The launderer then ran away as well. The crown tax was then canceled in its entirety. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi said: You see from this that suffering comes to the world only due to ignoramuses, for as soon as they all fled from the city, the crown tax was completely canceled. § The mishna teaches: And how long must one live in the city to be considered like one of the people of the city? Twelve months. And we raise a contradiction from what is taught in a baraita: In the case of a donkey caravan or a camel caravan that was journeying from place to place, and it lodged inside an idolatrous city, and its members were led astray along with the other residents of the city, and they too engaged in idol worship, they, the members of the caravan, are liable to death by stoning like ordinary individual idolaters, and their property escapes destruction, i.e., they are not treated like the residents of an idolatrous city, who are liable to death by the sword and whose property is destroyed. The baraita continues: And if the caravan members had remained in that city for thirty days, they are liable to death by the sword and their property is destroyed, just as it is for the rest of the residents of the city. This seems to indicate that once an individual has lived in a city for thirty days, he is already considered one of its residents. Rava said: This is not difficult. This period, i.e., twelve months, is required in order to be considered one of the members of the city; and that period, i.e., thirty days, suffices in order to be considered one of the residents of the city. As it is taught in a baraita: One who is prohibited by a vow from deriving benefit from the people of a particular city is prohibited from deriving benefit from anyone who has stayed there for twelve months, but it is permitted for him to derive benefit from anyone who has stayed there for less time than that. By contrast, if he prohibited himself by way of a vow from deriving benefit from the residents of a particular city, he is prohibited from deriving benefit from anyone who has stayed there for thirty days, but it is permitted for him to derive benefit from anyone who has stayed there for less time than that. The Gemara asks: And do we require that one lives in a city for twelve months for all matters? But isn’t it taught in a baraita: If one lives in city for thirty days, he must contribute to the charity platter from which food is distributed to the poor. If he lives there for three months, he must contribute to the charity box. If he lives there for six months, he must contribute to the clothing fund. If he lives there for nine months, he must contribute to the burial fund. If he lives there for twelve months, he must contribute to the columns of the city [lepassei ha’ir], i.e., for the construction of a security fence. Rabbi Asi said that Rabbi Yoḥanan said: When we learned twelve months in the mishna, we learned that with regard to contributing to the columns of the city, money used for protecting and strengthening the city, but not for other matters. And Rabbi Asi says that Rabbi Yoḥanan says: All are required to contribute to the columns of the city, and money is collected for that purpose even from orphans. But the Sages are not required to contribute, since the Sages do not need protection. Rav Pappa said: Money is collected even from orphans for the city wall, for the city horseman, and for the guard [uletarzina] of the city armory, but the Sages do not require protection. The principle of the matter is: Money is collected even from orphans for anything from which they derive benefit. It is reported that Rabba imposed a contribution to a certain charity on the orphans of the house of bar Maryon. Abaye said to him: But didn’t Rav Shmuel bar Yehuda teach: One does not impose a charity obligation on orphans even for the sake of redeeming captives, since they are minors and are not obligated in the mitzvot? Rabba said to him: I did this to elevate them in standing, i.e., so that people should honor them as generous benefactors; not in order that the poor should benefit. Incidental to this story, the Gemara relates that Ifera Hurmiz, the mother of King Shapur, king of Persia, sent a purse [arneka] full of dinars to Rav Yosef. She said to him: Let the money be used for a great mitzva. Rav Yosef sat and considered the question: What did Ifera Hurmiz mean when she attached a condition to the gift, saying that it should be used for a great mitzva? Abaye said to him: From what Rav Shmuel bar Yehuda taught, that one does not impose a charity obligation on orphans even for the sake of redeeming captives, learn from this
▶ 🇫🇷 Résumé en français ce sont les érudits de la Torah, et les tours ne nécessitent-elles pas une protection supplémentaire ? La Guemara commen…
ce sont les érudits de la Torah, et les tours ne nécessitent-elles pas une protection supplémentaire ? La Guemara commente : Et Reish Lakish, qui n'a pas cité ce verset, maintient conformément à la manière dont Rava a exposé le verset : « Je suis une muraille » ; ceci fait référence à la Congrégation d'Israël. « Et mes seins sont comme des tours » ; ce sont les synagogues et les maisons d'étude. Il est également rapporté que Rav Naḥman bar Rav Ḥisda a un jour imposé le paiement de la taxe de capitation [karga] même aux Sages. Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak lui dit : Tu as transgressé les paroles de la Torah, des Prophètes et des Écrits. Tu as transgressé les paroles de la Torah, comme il est écrit : « Même quand Il aime les peuples, tous Ses saints sont dans Ta main » (Deutéronome 33:3), ce qui est compris comme signifiant que Moïse a dit au Saint, Béni soit-Il : Maître de l'univers, même lorsque Tu tiens les autres nations pour chères et que Tu leur accordes la domination sur Israël, que « tous Ses saints », c'est-à-dire les érudits de la Torah, soient exclusivement dans Ta main et libres de l'autorité des nations, et donc exemptés du paiement des impôts. La suite de ce verset peut également être comprise comme se référant aux érudits de la Torah, car il est dit : « Et ils s'assoient [tukku] à Tes pieds, recevant Tes paroles » (Deutéronome 33:3), et Rav Yosef enseigne : Ce sont les érudits de la Torah qui martèlent [mekhatetim] leurs pieds de ville en ville et de pays en pays pour étudier la Torah ; « recevant [yissa] Tes paroles », pour discuter [lissa velitten] des paroles de Dieu. Et tu as transgressé les paroles de les Prophètes, comme il est écrit : « Bien qu'ils aient engagé des amants [yitnu] parmi les nations, maintenant je les rassemblerai, et ils commenceront à diminuer à cause du fardeau des rois et des princes » (Osée 8:10). À propos de ce verset, Ulla dit : Une partie de ce verset est énoncée en langue araméenne ; le mot yitnu doit être compris ici dans son sens araméen : Apprendre. Et le verset doit être interprété comme suit : Si tout Israël apprend la Torah, je les rassemblerai déjà maintenant ; et si seulement quelques-uns d'entre eux apprennent la Torah, ils seront dispensés du fardeau imposé par les rois et les princes. Cela indique que ceux qui étudient la Torah ne devraient pas être soumis au paiement des impôts. Et de plus, tu as transgressé les paroles de les Écrits, comme il est écrit : « Il ne sera pas permis d'imposer sur eux tribut, impôt ou péage » (Esdras 7:24), c'est-à-dire sur les prêtres et les Lévites qui servent dans le Temple. Cette halakha s'appliquerait également aux érudits de la Torah. Et Rav Yehuda dit : « Tribut » ; ceci fait référence à la part du roi, un impôt donné au roi. « Impôt » ; ceci fait référence à la taxe de capitation. « Péage » ; ceci fait référence à une taxe [arnona] payée avec des biens qui était imposée de temps à autre. Il est rapporté que Rav Pappa a un jour imposé une taxe pour le creusement d'une nouvelle citerne même aux orphelins. Rav Sheisha, fils de Rav Idi, dit à Rav Pappa : Peut-être creuseront-ils, mais finalement ils ne puiseront aucune eau de là, et il s'avérera que l'argent aura été dépensé pour rien. Les autres habitants de la ville peuvent renoncer à leurs droits sur leur argent, mais les orphelins qui sont mineurs ne le peuvent pas. Rav Pappa lui dit : Je collecterai l'argent auprès des orphelins ; s'ils puisent de l'eau, ils puiseront de l'eau, et sinon, je rendrai l'argent aux orphelins. Rav Yehuda dit : Tous les résidents de la ville doivent contribuer à la construction et à l'entretien des portes de la ville [le’aglei gappa], et à cette fin, l'argent est collecté même auprès des orphelins. Mais les Sages ne nécessitent pas de protection et sont donc exemptés de ce paiement. Tous les résidents de la ville doivent contribuer au creusement des citernes [lekarya patya], et à cette fin, l'argent est collecté même auprès des Sages, puisqu'ils ont eux aussi besoin d'eau. La Guemara commente : Et nous avons dit cela seulement lorsque les gens ne sont pas tenus de sortir en masse [be’akhluza] et de faire le creusement effectif, mais sont obligés seulement de contribuer de l'argent à cette fin. Mais si les gens sont tenus de sortir en masse et de creuser effectivement, les Sages ne sont pas censés sortir avec eux en masse, mais plutôt ils sont exemptés d'un tel travail. Il est rapporté que Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi a un jour ouvert ses greniers pour distribuer de la nourriture pendant des années de sécheresse. Il dit : Les maîtres de la Bible, les maîtres de la Mishna, les maîtres du Talmud, les maîtres de la halakha, les maîtres de l'aggada peuvent entrer et recevoir de la nourriture de ma part, mais les ignorants ne doivent pas entrer. Rabbi Yonatan ben Amram, que Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi ne connaissait pas, se fraya un passage, et entra, et lui dit : Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi, soutiens-moi. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi lui dit : Mon fils, as-tu lu la Bible ? Rabbi Yonatan ben Amram lui dit, par modestie : Non. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi continua : As-tu étudié la Mishna ? Une fois de plus, Rabbi Yonatan ben Amram lui dit : Non. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi lui demanda alors : Si c'est le cas, par quel mérite devrais-je te soutenir ? Rabbi Yonatan ben Amram lui dit : Soutiens-moi comme un chien et comme un corbeau, qui reçoivent de la nourriture même s'ils n'ont rien appris. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi fut ému par ses paroles et le nourrit. Après que Rabbi Yonatan fut parti, Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi s'assit, et fut affligé, et dit : Malheur à moi, car j'ai donné mon pain à un ignorant. Son fils, Rabbi Shimon bar Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi, lui dit : Peut-être était-ce ton disciple Yonatan ben Amram, qui n'a jamais [...]
L'exemption fiscale des sages s'appuie sur la Torah (Deutéronome 33:3), les Prophètes (Osée 8:10) et les Écrits (Esdras 7:24) ; l'Évangile en dévoile le sens ultime : les vrais fils sont libres (Matthieu 17:25-26 ; Galates 5:1).

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